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Post by roenick27 on Apr 5, 2014 12:21:02 GMT -5
I have a few suggestions that I feel would help the league and maybe my understanding of some of the rules: 1. Kind of a NHL ahl juniors format Keep rosters the same as is for your NHL roroster. Then have say a 10 man ahl roster. Then your junior roster is picks for 2-3 years. Then they need to be waiver or promoted to the NHL or ahl roster. 2. Is there a place to see all rostered players now? If so that would be helpful 3. I know it would be a future change but maybe a cap? This would help balance and change player values a bit. Again this isn't in place now so to be fair like a rule for 3 years out or something?
I know I'd have some others but I wanted to see the what others feel about these
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Post by burnsy00 on Apr 5, 2014 12:37:04 GMT -5
Always open to change for the better of the league
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Post by playmaker26 on Apr 5, 2014 12:50:58 GMT -5
I have a few suggestions that I feel would help the league and maybe my understanding of some of the rules: 1. Kind of a NHL ahl juniors format Keep rosters the same as is for your NHL roroster. Then have say a 10 man ahl roster. Then your junior roster is picks for 2-3 years. Then they need to be waiver or promoted to the NHL or ahl roster. 2. Is there a place to see all rostered players now? If so that would be helpful 3. I know it would be a future change but maybe a cap? This would help balance and change player values a bit. Again this isn't in place now so to be fair like a rule for 3 years out or something? I know I'd have some others but I wanted to see the what others feel about these The players are on Pool Expert. Then there is a tab that shows the free agents. We have that system - prospects can remain prospects for 4 years (5 years for goalies). They then have to be dropped or called up to your team. This happens every year before July 1, when the rosters are trimmed to 28 max.
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Post by roenick27 on Apr 5, 2014 13:15:13 GMT -5
OK thatis helpful. As far as the prospects I'm saying trim it to 3 years and having the ahl aspect I think Fills the gap. I have a lot of prospects on my team from like 2008 2009. So do others. When does it count from? When they're drafted or signed in here? To me that's too confusing and limits value to like a 1st round pick as the later picks can take forever and then you have too few spots. Plus that helps balance a bit with no cap. Look at the unbalanced teams. Something has to be done to correct that I have a few suggestions that I feel would help the league and maybe my understanding of some of the rules: 1. Kind of a NHL ahl juniors format Keep rosters the same as is for your NHL roroster. Then have say a 10 man ahl roster. Then your junior roster is picks for 2-3 years. Then they need to be waiver or promoted to the NHL or ahl roster. 2. Is there a place to see all rostered players now? If so that would be helpful 3. I know it would be a future change but maybe a cap? This would help balance and change player values a bit. Again this isn't in place now so to be fair like a rule for 3 years out or something? I know I'd have some others but I wanted to see the what others feel about these The players are on Pool Expert. Then there is a tab that shows the free agents. We have that system - prospects can remain prospects for 4 years (5 years for goalies). They then have to be dropped or called up to your team. This happens every year before July 1, when the rosters are trimmed to 28 max.
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Post by playmaker26 on Apr 5, 2014 18:55:03 GMT -5
The 4 years counts from after they are drafted in our league. So I believe players that were drafted in our 2010 draft have to be cut or called up.
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Post by roenick27 on Apr 6, 2014 7:39:59 GMT -5
See and I have guys from the previous gm that date to 2008 and 2009. I guess I figure draft year is easy to track. I'm just looking around at the rosters and clearly especially without a cap there's a massive imbalance of talent. Another rule in know that I think would bring more trades etc would be to limit roster chqmfes . claim someone and then you need to drop someone. That's where the ahl slot to me would make sense and also fix the imbalance a bit. Right now it's pretty clear who will win each year based on the rosters. Something needs to be done to increase activity and balance.
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Post by roenick27 on Apr 6, 2014 7:43:50 GMT -5
In my other league for example one team has ovi sid Malkin Rask backstrom on the same team and still hasn't won yet. Depth matters there. In here its all about rolling with the top guys and barring injury, you can't lose or at least the top few teams will be 1,2,3 each year.
Maybe adding different cats or a re draft of sorts that akkei I think mentioned needs to be in order. Also maybe a rule on activity should be implemented? Again I'm just tossing some ideas out there
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Post by akkei on Apr 7, 2014 12:21:18 GMT -5
Suggesting modifications in this league has been an extremely difficult process. There isn't much feedback, so it is very hard to figure out what everyone thinks. I am having a hard time believing that any GM, even those of the top teams, are having any fun right now.
I personally think the format needs to be changed so that more decisions need to be taken. With decisions comes activity. I had suggested to make it a limited keeper, but introducing a cap would likely have the same effect. Anything but status quo, as far as I am concerned.
The season is almost over. Asking all GMs to participate in a discussion to reshape the league before the prospect draft would be a healthy process in my view (making clear propostions, conducting votes, etc.). I still think we should kick out the GMs that are MIA, it would be a good way to ensure that the existing GMs are committed. Finding new GMs should not be such a big issue if we can make this league fun and appealing again.
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Post by playmaker26 on Apr 7, 2014 13:51:20 GMT -5
The biggest issue is inactivity. If teams are active, trades will be made and then teams will close the gap on the contending teams.
It's very possible for teams at the bottom of the standings to become contenders. I have seen it in two of my other leagues that have been around longer than this one. It takes time. Which is what dynasty leagues are about.
One thing that could be discussed is if we keep a certain amount of players (say 10-12) for this season only and then re-draft the rest. But then what happens to the teams that have stockpiled draft picks and prospects? Because they will have to be reset.
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Post by roenick27 on Apr 7, 2014 13:59:01 GMT -5
I agree. I think a discussion is a good idea. IMO there needs to be a change of some sort. I know I stopped paying attention a while ago. I came in excited to take over a team and shake i up and mold it. I sent trade offers or thoughts to most in here and barely had a response (outside of a few GMs ). Looking back after a full season, its just as imbalanced if not moreso. I know im new and i dont want to ruffle feathers (not my intention at all) , but i agree with akkei here. This league shoukd be much more active and unfortunately, competition breeds that. A cap would solve that imo bit at the same time its not fair to a guy like Adam who built his team on the current rules. I guess a discussion could help all here
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Post by playmaker26 on Apr 7, 2014 14:39:08 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I like the cap idea. But I'm open to something being done to level the playing field a bit. The top teams have worked hard to build their teams so I don't think we should completely gut what they have done.
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Post by playmaker26 on Apr 7, 2014 14:41:43 GMT -5
This is by far the worst time of the year in terms of activity. No trades, no free agency...and not many teams are in contention so they don't need to make roster moves.
Active GM's are: Myself, seadawg, burnsy, roenick, akkei, pucksuckers, raylinke
Inactive GM's: JR and mrquacky
JR said he will be more active and I have talked to Chris (mrquacky). I don't think booting them out is necessary right now.
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Post by roenick27 on Apr 7, 2014 18:21:05 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I like the cap idea. But I'm open to something being done to level the playing field a bit. The top teams have worked hard to build their teams so I don't think we should completely gut what they have done. I agree. If it were a cap it would need to be a sliding one for say a three year period to gradually work it in or something. I agree its unfair to just put one in but I think something should be done to balance a bit
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Post by roenick27 on Apr 7, 2014 18:25:50 GMT -5
This is by far the worst time of the year in terms of activity. No trades, no free agency...and not many teams are in contention so they don't need to make roster moves. Active GM's are: Myself, seadawg, burnsy, roenick, akkei, pucksuckers, raylinke Inactive GM's: JR and mrquacky JR said he will be more active and I have talked to Chris (mrquacky). I don't think booting them out is necessary right now. I went back to when I came in. There were 9 trades leaguewide in a season. That's pretty low for a ten team league. Plus I went back and I think I was involved in 4, burnsy and jersey were involved in 5 each. I know that's not a perfect science, but it shows inactivity and IMO a clear difference in talent from the top to the bottom, and without a cap(or other balancer) it becomes clear on what you should be looking for in a trade and why the top teams are less likely to trade
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Post by akkei on Apr 8, 2014 9:48:34 GMT -5
The top teams have worked hard to build their teams so I don't think we should completely gut what they have done. I agree with that. I think it is also important to find a way to improve balance without ruining everyone's plan. Some teams have virtually no valuable roster player, but they have plenty of future assets. Some teams have no good prospects, but have many valuable roster players. In the best case, all teams after the changes are made will be somewhat in the same position in which they currently are, but the gap between teams will be closer. In a redraft scenario, I don't know if it makes sense, but we might want to consider letting GMs decide what they want to keep and to continue to work on their existing plan. Some teams will prefer to mostly keep roster players; some will prefer to mostly keep prospects. However we need to recognize that a roster player is typically more valuable than a prospect. An option could be to let team keep 12 assets, a roster player counts as 1 asset and a prospect counts as 0.5 asset. We may also want to redefine for this process what a prospect is (ex: a player that has played less than X games in the NHL). Everything else would go back into a draft. I don't know what to do with draft picks in such a scenario. I remember Adam seeing a post you had made on Dobber's forum a while back where such an approach was considered in another of your leagues. How did it worked out? One thing that would be important in my view would be to ensure that any pick in the redraft should not be tradable. There have been a few very bad trades that were made at the inaugural draft in this league, which has negatively impacted the balance before the initial season even started. Some have a difficult time in evaluating the value of their picks. I must admit that I kind of like the idea of slowly introducing a cap. It strikes me as a potential solution to avoid repeating the same mistakes that were made and keep the league more balanced for the future. I have never been involved in a league with a cap, so I cannot speak from experience on this.
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