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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2010 16:43:04 GMT -5
During the whole season if you ever want to pick someone up, you have to drop someone. Either a roster player, or a prospect.
IF, at July 1st you're under the 8 man bench, then you just stay at whatever number of guys you currently have on your bench.
I had to re-read the rules, had it wrong the first time!
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Post by cowley on Jul 20, 2010 16:45:05 GMT -5
do you have to drop someone if you are under the roster limit? Or if you have a roster spot available, can you simply pick someone up off waivers/free agency? You always have to drop someone. Same rules as the other league. I understand, I'm not in the other leauge and the other ones I'm in allow you to pick up players if you have room. I can still trade and fill my bench with prospects...
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Post by playmaker26 on Jul 20, 2010 16:46:00 GMT -5
do you have to drop someone if you are under the roster limit? Or if you have a roster spot available, can you simply pick someone up off waivers/free agency?[/quote] This was my assumption. I thought I could pick up two players later. Do I have to lose a prospect then to fill my roster?[/quote] Potentially. Sometimes it's not worth it to drop a prospect for a roster guy. Sometimes it is. You'll be able to gauge it after the draft.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2010 17:03:15 GMT -5
Man alive.... people are making trades (and STACKING ADAMS ROSTER!!!) without even knowing the rules!?!?
OMFG
If you're new to this type of league, then please GOD don't trade your picks until you see what players will be available with those picks. Making massive trades (especially with GMs massively experienced in dominating this type of league) in the opening draft is the quickest way to sewer your team and ruin the fun for the rest of us.
I was hoping this league would be a chance to actually have a quality competition and now it's already turned into 1 super team and the rest of us fighting for 2nd.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2010 17:04:33 GMT -5
hahhaha that's why I prefer drafting and working trades with players.
People don't understand the importance of picks.
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Post by cowley on Jul 20, 2010 17:12:02 GMT -5
My mistake, I definately should not have made the trade but lesson learned. I would advise the rest of the group to be weary of trading picks.... ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by playmaker26 on Jul 20, 2010 17:17:54 GMT -5
Man alive.... people are making trades (and STACKING ADAMS ROSTER!!!) without even knowing the rules!?!? OMFG If you're new to this type of league, then please GOD don't trade your picks until you see what players will be available with those picks. Making massive trades (especially with GMs massively experienced in dominating this type of league) in the opening draft is the quickest way to sewer your team and ruin the fun for the rest of us. I was hoping this league would be a chance to actually have a quality competition and now it's already turned into 1 super team and the rest of us fighting for 2nd. Disagree. Everyone in this league is educated. It's not like the league we're both in Trevor that has some guys that are far below others in terms of knowledge. My team is far from a super team. I'm happy with how my team has shaped up so far but everyone has a chance. And the draft isn't even 25% done yet. Look at my team and your team Trevor: Ovechkin>>>Getzlaf Zetterberg=Datsyuk (I'd rather have Datsyuk but their production being equal would not be surprising) Parise and Spezza could be equal. Toews and Carter will be close. Horton will outpoint Duchene. Doughty will outpoint EJ. Then there are other teams that have depth in each position at this point of the draft. Trading for picks is also risky. I could lose out on every guy I'm targeting. My Malkin deal worked out for me. This one could backfire.
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Post by cowley on Jul 20, 2010 17:48:45 GMT -5
It wouldn't be a proper hockey pool without a little drama ;D
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Post by seadawg on Jul 20, 2010 17:56:37 GMT -5
You both make good points. The draft is far from over, and even if Adam's team on paper might look superior at this point, a lot can happen between now and the end of the draft.
Still, everyone should learn a lesson about making deals involving picks in a very deep keeper league such as this one.
I know when you have a chance to land someone like Malkin, you don't want to miss out, but those picks traded for Malkin turned into Parise, Getzlaf, Toews, and Tyler Seguin. That is one hell of a good return for Malkin. And I imagine the return on Nash will be pretty damn good too. Nothing we can do about it now, and no point in whining about it. Lessons learned, I hope.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2010 18:01:18 GMT -5
Adam deleted my message because I named players -- if you want ideas for your upcoming picks feel free to PM me ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) I never said the guy wasn't hockey pool educated. I said there might be GMs who aren't experienced in THIS type of league. And don't realize that they just traded Rick Nash A 3 round pick upgrade from 200 to 170 for Koivu Cammalleri (or almost as good) Goncharov/Ladd/Versteeg/Franson -- I hope these players are far enough away that it won't matter that I name them, they're MY estimated 26th rounders might not be yours. Plus he thought he was going to be able to pick up 2 free guys at the end through free agency (something you can't do unless you drop prospects) I got a good chuckle at your comparison of our teams. Everything you said was fairly reasonably accurate I'll admit. But you left out that: 1) You have a goalie, I don't. 2) I just picked and don't pick again for 17 picks, while you have 2 of the next 5 picks and 3 picks before I'm up again. 3) You also acquired Seguin in your Malkin trade. 4) You also acquired a bunch of late round assets which (for those who are unfamiliar with Adam and this type of league) will equate to a multitude of mid-high end prospects. A 26th round pick will seem like nothing to GMs who are unfamiliar with being able to draft guys like Tatar, Nyquist, Tedenby, Boedker, Eller, etc with those picks and just plopping them on a prospect roster for 4 years. So... really our teams aren't that close at all. And I think I've drafted fairly well. So if I've drafted well and am not at all close to you what does that say?? == Super Team. Oh, side note to those who are new, there is no prospect maximum. You can have 132 prospects if you want, but you can only have them on your prospect roster for 4 years (5 years for goalies), then you have to call them up. There is no bench minimum. You can only pick up players through free agency if you drop either a roster player or a prospect. Every July 1st there is a roster MAXIMUM of 8, but no minimum. Aaron (trevor's brother) PS - I make unfair trades all the time, so I don't want to come off as a hypocrite. I just think that this league is what 4 days old? At least give them a chance to get wet before we shove them under the water and sit on em.
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Post by playmaker26 on Jul 20, 2010 18:04:21 GMT -5
There is loads of time left in this draft to call any team a super team. That's my point.
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Post by seadawg on Jul 20, 2010 18:28:21 GMT -5
If you draft someone in the Inaugural Draft who qualifies as a Prospect (under 25 NHL games played), can you plop that player on the Prospect bench (and therefore protect him for 4 years there)? Or if you draft that player in the Inaugural Draft, is that player no longer eligible as a prospect?
For example, if I draft Angelo Esposito (he has never played an NHL game) in the Inaugural Draft, can I put him on my prospect list? Or is he forever part of my Active Roster/Bench?
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Post by schaffer23 on Jul 20, 2010 18:29:26 GMT -5
I don't like jumping into all of this catty girl banter, but for the record, I am very aware at the trade I made. I know I traded 8 picks for 4 picks. I wanted Malkin, and was willing to give up depth for it. It's not that I don't understand the value of draft picks either, because I do. I have had other teams and ran them different ways. I wanted to run this one differently than my last and went for a gamble in bringing one of the few superstars to my team. Everyone runs their team differently, some GM's are better than others. Some are more aggressive than others. What we all need to do is worry about our own teams, finish the draft, and make sure that we understand that each of us is only looking out for our own teams in the end. As time goes on, maybe we will realize that there are some inexperienced people, maybe we won't. There is a fine line between criticism and jealousy, let's be mindful of it. Now onto the draft, I need to fill this thin roster out.
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Post by cowley on Jul 20, 2010 18:31:04 GMT -5
nice one... Let's make some picks!!!!
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Post by playmaker26 on Jul 20, 2010 18:31:21 GMT -5
If you draft someone in the Inaugural Draft who qualifies as a Prospect (under 25 NHL games played), can you plop that player on the Prospect bench (and therefore protect him for 4 years there)? Or if you draft that player in the Inaugural Draft, is that player no longer eligible as a prospect? For example, if I draft Angelo Esposito (he has never played an NHL game) in the Inaugural Draft, can I put him on my prospect list? Or is he forever part of my Active Roster/Bench? Espo could go on the prospect team.
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