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Post by cowley on Dec 21, 2010 20:13:55 GMT -5
Why is everyone stopping at "signed in the N.H.L." as the sentence continues with ", is drafted by an NHL team,".
Signed is not in the rules as the only qualification. Drafted by an NHL team is another one. Prospects are listed as games played and are ineligible, but we can draft anyone drafted to the NHL that has played the minimum games.
Again, if Nabokov is going to be such a problem, I'm happy to let him go.
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Post by akkei on Dec 21, 2010 21:59:26 GMT -5
Why is everyone stopping at "signed in the N.H.L." as the sentence continues with ", is drafted by an NHL team,". I can't speak for everyone, but the problem I see is with the use of the word "and" (vs. "or") at the end of the enumeration, which means that these conditions are cumulative. I doubt that Nabokov really is an issue here, it's certainly not one for me. I just think that rules issues should be addressed.
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Post by cowley on Dec 22, 2010 0:29:27 GMT -5
I see what you mean..... I guess it depends on what the rules were to mean. I would say, that like all NHL rules, the commissioner has the say and it is the "intent of the rule" that is observed. (Kinda like Pronger waving at the goalie, but not facing him )
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Post by playmaker26 on Dec 22, 2010 10:05:17 GMT -5
To be honest, I have not paid attention to this rule before onetimer raised the issue. I took for granted that UFAs were eligible. However, I agree with onetimer on this and I think it's too bad this is even being disputed. The rule is pretty clear; a player must be signed in the NHL to be eligible. Maybe that wasn't the intention, but that is still what the rules say. I don't see the point in waiting for the end of the season before addressing rules issues like this one (especially now that TSHC agrees to cancel his pick). If we all agree that UFAs should be eligible, then we should correct the rules and let Nabokov be drafted at the next opportunity. It's not like there are tons of UFAs that will suddenly be picked up after this rule is corrected. P.S. The Radulov example is irrelevant IMO. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I'm quite certain that he is still under contract with the Predators. So he would be eligible for free agency if he wasn't already on a GM's roster, no matter how you read this rule. P.P.S. If being drafted is a requirement, does that mean that undrafted players like Martin St-Louis will never be eligible free agents? That doesn't make much sense either. If the rule is how playmaker interprets it (or rather how I think he interprets it), then the only eligibility requirements should be: (1) the player must not be on another GM's roster; and (2) the player must have played at least 25 games in the NHL (20 for goalies). The "being drafted" part is in the rules because it is one way someone is owned by a team. St. Louis would have been eligible to be picked up once he played 25 NHL games even though he wasn't drafted by an NHL team. If the league wants to reverse the Nabokov transaction then I will do that but 2-stroke followed the rules because he was eligible to be picked up.
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Post by playmaker26 on Dec 22, 2010 10:09:16 GMT -5
12-22-10
Green Helmets: Add - Max Pacioretty Drop - Sean Avery
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2010 15:13:37 GMT -5
I definitely think we should let the Nabokov signing remain, since it was within the rules as they were meant to be.
Changing the rules seems silly, since it would be ridiculous to have players on your roster that suddenly become ineligible to own -- (example: July 2nd Brad Richards becomes a UFA, so really is ineligible to own on your roster)
I think the rulebook just needs 'clarification', and we can re-word the rules to eliminate the confusion.
Something like this:
2. A free agent available for waivers shall be described as any player not owned by another GM during the 'waiver period' who has either: 1) Ever been signed by an NHL team 2) Been drafted by an NHL team
The player also must have met a minimum games requirement: 1) Skaters must have played 25 NHL games 2) Goalies must have played 20 NHL games The games played are cumulative over any number of seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2010 15:20:02 GMT -5
And really as I was thinking about it... the rule could be even SIMPLER and still accomplish exactly what we want.
2. A free agent available for waivers shall be described as any player not owned by another GM during the 'waiver period' who has met a minimum games requirement: 1) Skaters must have played 25 NHL games 2) Goalies must have played 20 NHL games The games played are cumulative over any number of seasons.
Since obviously if the guy has played 20/25 games in the NHL he was previously signed as a FA (StLouis) or previously drafted and signed. It removes any ambiguity in the rules and just lets people look for if a guy has played the required number of games.
Am I wrong?
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Post by cowley on Dec 22, 2010 15:52:48 GMT -5
I like it....
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Post by playmaker26 on Dec 22, 2010 16:54:34 GMT -5
You're right. I'll put that in the rulebook since it is clearer.
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Post by playmaker26 on Dec 29, 2010 10:52:41 GMT -5
12-29-10
Seadawgs: Add - Sean Avery Drop - Tom Kuehnhackl
Jersey 18's: Add - Ryan Malone Drop - David Booth
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Post by playmaker26 on Jan 5, 2011 9:50:27 GMT -5
1-5-11
Orange Crush: Add - Mikhail Grabovski Drop - Brent Johnson
Arctic Icemen: Add - David Booth Drop - Shawn Horcoff
2-Stroke Hockey Club: Add - Dwayne Roloson Drop - Keith Ballard
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Post by playmaker26 on Jan 12, 2011 9:57:58 GMT -5
1-12-11
Orange Crush: Add - Chris Kunitz Drop - Richard Bachman
The Norsemen: Add - Nikolay Zherdev Drop - Patrick O'Sullivan
2-Stroke Hockey Club: Add - Marc-Andre Bergeron Drop - Johnny Boychuk
Arctic Icemen: Add - Marc Staal Drop - Mike Smith
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Post by playmaker26 on Jan 19, 2011 10:36:50 GMT -5
1-19-11
Orange Crush: Add - Drew Stafford Drop - Matt Cullen
Arctic Icemen: Add - JP Dumont Drop - Eric Fehr
Clubber Lang's: Add - Andrew MacDonald Drop - Kyle Quincey
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Post by playmaker26 on Jan 26, 2011 10:31:55 GMT -5
1-26-11
Clubber Lang's: Add - Dan Girardi Drop - Alexander Frolov
Orange Crush: Add - Anthony Stewart Drop - Todd Bertuzzi
Jersey 18's: Add - Evgeny Dadonov Drop - Rene Bourque
The Norsemen: Add - Rob Schremp Drop - Mikeal Samuelsson
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Post by seadawg on Jan 26, 2011 16:24:50 GMT -5
1-26-11Arctic Icemen: Add - Sean Avery Drop - Matt Stajan I believe Avery is already on my team. But he is available via trade if you want him?
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